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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:15 pm 
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Cool song, Steve! You have a real blues voice. Your voice is like a mix of Bob Dylan and Tom Waits.

It's very much infiltrated in American society that raising children is up to the parents and no one else, especially not a government, should interfere with their freedoms. However, if we were talking about private property, people can do what they want. But kids are not property, they are members of our community and because of that, they'll participate in our community as such, at a later age. Therefore it's everybody's business. If your tires of your car are borrowed, and you're supposed to give them to someone else, you wouldn't want to slash them, right? Every child needs respect and love and if that's not given, the child gets into a survival mode, which he or she will support with the necessary theories. I don't know how far you've gone in blaming your parents through emotional release but be sure that you carry absolutely zero responsibility to what was done to you by your parents.

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Most every life I can think of around me as an adult has been damaged one way or another--and many of them miserably ended--way too early--by the exact same thing--whether admitted or not.


Alice Miller wrote once: "The collective absurdity is the most dangerous of all because we accept it as normal". Every person that I know who has been severely damaged as a child, seeks out other people who have been very much damaged. It strengthens the vicious circle. One of the hardest tings I had to do in my life was saying goodbye to such people and seeking people who were healthy (or much healthier).

In 1991 I had a real serious escape plan, was supposed to go to the US of A. Had everything ready, had sold most of my possessions, bought a cheap plane ticket and was supposed to leave with a good friend, but I didn't get a visa when I applied at the American Consulate in Amsterdam the day before I was supposed to leave, My friend went alone, one week to NYC and got robbed there.

You have any more songs by you I can listen to?

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Dennis,

Back to the song in a second (Thanks you're kind for what you said but I have to clear something up about it). But you hit the nail on the head: since the community--and world--IS directly AND indirectly affected by the damage people do to their children, the community and the world have the right, probably even a moral duty, to 'interfere' or somehow otherwise be involved. For everyone's sake. The QUESTION, I think, is if the parent doesn't have or someday isn't allowed the final say on 'what's what' when it comes to bringing up their kids, then who does? The government? The church? "Science"? The best example of 'government as parent' I can think of was called "National Socialism"--Nazism. For a good view of what churches can do to a population (with a little help from their friends in government) I'd again say look at the experience and destruction of the people in the Canadian province of Nunavut. Science, the last I looked and bless it's pointy head, is ferociously pushing pills at everybody! You know what's funny about psychology? I'm not exactly on my turf here and might have this wrong, but it seems like I've heard it said (or seen it written) several times that the only place psychology has ever been applied effectively in any practical sense at all is in SALES AND MARKETING. If true, doesn't that strike you as just a little creepy?

I'll tell you what though (Americans I guess are always saying that. There's a pretty good Monty Python (British) skit where the Grim Reaper loses it and starts yelling "You're DEAD now, you stupid American, so SHUT UP!"). I haven't read it yet but have seen that you posted some news about circumcision. I think that rates have been declining here (and have researched some but am not sure if I've interpreted the data correctly). I'd like to know for sure what the actual case is. To me it's would be tremendously significant to find out that rates and numbers are declining--because so far as I know there has never been a single law passed against it. There have never been any "Public Service Announcements" or editorials in the media denouncing it, no billboards, no sermons, and since I've never seen any, I suppose there are extremely few T-shirts or bumperstickers dealing with it. I think people are doing less of it because word has gotten around that it's just stupid. GOOD SIGN, I think. And a good way to go with the rest of it, in my opinion, if it's possible. IN A HEARTBEAT, so long as government exists, I support fully the elimination BY LAW of corporal punishment from schools. If government has any responsibility at all, it's the responsibility to not bring out the worst in people, or to condone the worst by it's own example. (It's not like that much here, unfortunately, given there are state-run lotteries (for example) everywhere or almost everywhere. "You TOO can have something for nothing!") But if government--parent-like--tells parents "DO WHAT WE SAY OR WE'RE GONNA SMACK YOU!!!"--well it just seems like we still have a mother crab telling her children not to walk sideways. Or we're squeezing a water balloon, again. I don't mean to suggest I believe this absolutely, because I really have no idea, but could that be a possible explanation for Sweden having a higher than expected suicide rate? People have obediently quit directly hurting their kids but the dysfunction has been passed along and is being squeezed out in some other way? I don't know. On the other hand, people abandoning the practice of circumcision definitely aren't being ordered to obey anything or anyone. If it's happening it's simply because the myth that circumcision has merit is being exposed and dispelled--this has happened from what I can see thanks definitely to the work of a few dedicated people, but from there it has apparently spread simply person-to-person, as naturally as can be.

I don't know. Seems like the history of all civilizations start out something like: "A war-like tribe emerged from the forest, conquered and enslaved their neighbors and then set themselves up as ruler-gods." In the western world at least, despite the split between church and state, even "the divine right of kings" lasted until really pretty recently. BUT--isn't it true that even if totally split off from religion like we supposedly are in most developed countries that "government" is still one of the two branches from that original tree? If so, can it really be tricked into providing the final answer to the problem that it helped create in the first place? I know Miller thinks so. So do all of the people I find myself most admiring. I'm just not so sure the short-term results that are generally brought about by government mandates qualify as genuine progress, is all. But if the example of circumcision reads like I think it does, I do think things can come out all right for everybody.

Whether that came from my right-brain or left I don't know, but the OTHER half says to tell you: so long as there will be laws, it should be at least as illegal for any adult to assault a child as it is to assault another adult.


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That was largely a put-on voice I used in that Valentine video. Nonsense words with a fake "French" accent. I'd hoped to sound like a big French lover, like Pepe Le Pew. Here's a video if you don't know him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-saiHSjw_Y Looks like from Wikipedia that there are no skunks in Europe. Skunks smell real special. I have no other music up on the Internet anywhere yet. I'd feel better about it I think if I had a local live outlet for myself, first. I WILL let you know if I put more up. It's a temptation, and I know there's no better way to get it to people far away, but there's just something about clicking buttons, hiding behind a computer that rubs me wrong. I have a little I might put some up and make private, by invitation. Something like that. That one you heard was actually done originally for a group of women classmates of mine. (Did you notice the "blah, blah, blah" tease?) I didn't know how else to get it to them. It had been sitting around two years. I threw the pictures onto it Sunday, not sure even then I wanted to follow through. So far I've heard from just one of them. She said "Pretty good" and that was it.

That's awful how it went for you and your friend trying to come here. Maybe another time huh?

Steve


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... the only place psychology has ever been applied effectively in any practical sense at all is in SALES AND MARKETING.


I think this is true as well. Psychology doesn't seem to be the knowledge of human behavior but the manipulation of human behavior. Clinical psychology is about re-victimizing the victim and protecting the perpetrators. It is creepy and it puts the world in the state of where we are now: total denial about the real issues and prioritizing stupidity (in whatever form or shape).

Governments - if they would do their job well - are for the people. But the reality is that they are for the (corporate) elite. However, when it comes to changes on a large scale, right now they are our best bet. Either that or large grass root movements. When the government decided one day that all vehicles in traffic should drive on the right side of the road, there was probably public outrage but the result was fewer accidents because of such law. If governments apply the necessary laws in preventing child abuse, society will have much lesser suicides, crime, murder, divorces, homelessness, etc. If there's anyone opposing to that, they are part of the problem.

Circumcision is extremely abusive. If society wants freedom of religion, let them wait until they are 18 years old to choose their religion. But don't expose children to ridiculous and painful rituals for the sake of a bunch of delusional parents. Regarding the health aspect why some parents choose to circumcise their son is equally ridiculous. If I would never brush my teeth, I will get an infection as well. Does that mean they should have pulled all my teeth when I was a kid? Keep you dick clean, and you have no health hazard there. But recently I read that a Swedish minister wants to reinstate circumcision again (the old religious argument). As of now, practically no Swedish doctors will perform this operation and islamic parents often go for their vacation back to their home country and have it done there to the son. A few weeks ago I watched an episode of the Oprah Winfrey Show that was about Dr. Oz. Apparently Oprah has found a replacement for Dr. Phil. This guy in doctors clothes was explaining to the male audience (all the women were back stage) a thing or two about their penis. He was pro-circumcision. Anyway, on Daniel Mackler's forum there's an interesting thread on circumcision.

How does one deal - as an outsider - with abusive parent? Do you teach them, punish them, condemn them? Take their kids away from them? It all depends on the circumstances but wouldn't it be great if a child could go or contact someone and there's an organization who would put an enlightened witness in the household, to confront the parents and protect the child, and who would live and sleep there for a period of time. Not to put oil on the fire but to condemn the abuse. If it wouldn't work and the abuse continues, the child needs to be taken away but in this case the parent knows he wasn't able to provide a safe environment for the child and they had a fair chance to change it. But too often the outside world interferes when things have escalated too far already.

I got the French mumbling in your song. It's not uncommon here in Europe to make fun of other languages this way so I doubt if anyone would feel insulted. In Sweden they are even proud of the Swedish Chef in the Muppet Show. But your singing voice has a lot character. If you put more music online, see it as some kind of portfolio, so more people get familiar with your music and that could lead to more performances in real places with real audiences. Maybe I sound too pushy but I always have a great respect for good musicians.

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That's awful how it went for you and your friend trying to come here. Maybe another time huh?


I have to say that the political climate in the US nowadays doesn't convince me to go there, not even if I could travel for free first class. It's like visiting Germany during the 1930s.

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Hi Dennis,

I do think un-messed-up people would eventually de-emphasize government--reduce it's importance and presence in daily life, because they would feel less need to control their neighbors, insisting that they know better--than many of us do at this point. oops--irresistible wise-quote moment coming..... "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) I'm careful about becoming 'political', whatever the cause.

Male circumcision is stupid. I personally think its days are numbered, so far as developed countries are concerned. I've saved a shortcut to the iraresoul discussion, will read it when I get a chance. I don't know where to find it now, but Mr. Mackler's "Ten Reasons To Circumcise Your Kid" I think not only IS funny, but might have been the ONLY humor I've even come across in all the time I've been glued to this problem of "How can it be that once we get past the age of ten or twelve, we all turn into such abject morons?" Oh hey I found it. Had the title partly right: http://iraresoul.com/circumcision.html Mackler gets a gold star for that piece as far as I'm concerned. I'm glad to know most Swedish doctors refuse to do perform circumcisions. Female genital mutilation (also called "circumcision") is exponentially more horrific, and seemed pretty entrenched in the places it exists.

I don't know as much as most people about either Oprah or Dr. Phil since I've seen only about two Oprahs in my life. One happened to be the first or one of the first. She 'd had to correct an audience member who'd called her "OpERa"--as in "Phantom of the". It's funny being brought up to date about my backyard by somebody who's a half a world away, but that's technology. Far as Dr. Oz goes: he might have a few years of schooling (well with summers off. And spring breaks, and winter breaks, and fall recesses, and Sundays), but each human body has a bezillion's of years worth of natural selection built into it. No-brainer, no contest. Oz loses. Big.

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How does one deal- as an outsider - with abusive parent?
Send Dr. Oz in. With a bigger, adult-sized knife.

I have installed now the Swedish Chef Firefox bork-a-web-page translator add-on extension? Thank you for the link at Wikipedia?? I am already to translation now?! (Is there really such as a Swedish Bikini Team or is merely this the making for a joke?!?! Cruel if so on Americans!!)

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Iff yuoo poot mure-a mooseec oonleene-a, see-a it es sume-a keend ooff purtffuleeu, su mure-a peuple-a get femeelier veet yuoor mooseec und thet cuoold leed tu mure-a perffurmunces in reel pleces veet reel oodeeences.

I have to say you may have a point. (And I am happy you're interested to hear more.) And I'm no expert but that sure seems like pretty good Swedish for somebody from the Netherlands. I have ONE thing I could put up right now. I mean the music is there. It's even older than the other one, actually moved to computer from a tape made about 22 years ago. Instrumental and not perfect. But it might be good enough. Only I'd have to figure out some kind of video to go with it. I made a "scary movie" once of my kitchen garbage and dirty dishes in the sink--really haven't used my camera much--but I won't live forever I guess...give me a day or so. (I've been working 7 day weeks lately, planning to tomorrow (Sunday) as well.

Steve


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Steve wrote:
Whether that came from my right-brain or left I don't know


http://www.where-what-how-why.com/?p=111

She spins both directions.

I didn't know what the page was about, hadn't read any text when I noticed the first change. One direction is as absolutely as real as the other.

It's free will versus determinism.

I'm sure of it. The question which has excruciated philosophers and divines beyond any other is answered.

They'll have to all go get real jobs now. Poor babies.

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I don't think laws against child abuse mean necessary more control on how people should treat their children. It's about setting an example that violence against children is not tolerated. And just like any other act of violence against a human being, it needs to be dealt with. If not, then it's just carrying water to the sea when only symptoms of a sick society is being dealt with.

Daniel Mackler's piece on circumcision is indeed very good. It should be printed on flyers in clinics where they do such performances. But irrational people will never listen to rational words.

Female circumcision is of course an unnecessary and brutal act as well. Though most people in Western civilization acknowledge that, but apparently there are enough people who think a boy's genitals are of less value.

I rarely watch Oprah because it's often just a load of bullshit (bullshit sells as you know), but it's very popular and sometimes it catches my eye.

Swedish Bikini Teams? Probably, anything is possible these days. Glad to see that you're enjoying all those European languages, Steve. Let me know when you've put some more songs by you online.

I've looked at the spinning woman. I think you've mentioned this before (or someone else did). I did see it spinning counter-clockwise as well but I had to stare at her feet and close one eye, to start it. Pretty weird effect! Though not sure what the implications of it is.

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Hi Dennis,

So that I'll have said it plainly here once: since to me it's clear that the passed-down need to control, manipulate, govern or own other individuals is the source of an overwhelming majority of the horrors the world faces, there simply is nothing more important than to recognize the effects of child abuse except to end it. Both sides of my brain agree 100+% on this. No matter how I look at it, it's true. Like Sinèad, I'd like to scream it.

I found the spinning lady by accident. I think there are "ideas"--not just pictures--that can be seen the same way. Generally I think that political ideas can be included in that group, like the one that calls for government coercion when it comes to solving the problem of child abuse. That doesn't mean I think laws forbidding it are "bad" or "wrong". That would be like insisting the lady spins only one direction. I know better. It doesn't mean I'm "undecided" about it, because the simple truth is that depending on how you look at it, she spins both ways. Arguing about politics generally seems to me to be absolutely like that. I'd rather think "Isn't that interesting" and go on to something else. I'm generally happy to let people think whatever they want to think so long as they're not hurting anybody or taking freedom from me "for my own good". I'm not convinced, though, that only a "small handful" have the ability to see the image going both directions. There's nothing special about me or my brain. A democratic vote deciding the "correctness" of her "real" direction, by the way, won't change reality.

Really I wonder if humor might be a better agent for change than law making. I'm not sure--but I wonder. "Don't you DARE laugh! There is nothing funny about child abuse!" is my impression of both Miller and Barbara's attitudes. And they're both absolutely right of course. But Mackler's piece on circumcision works, I think. There's something "communal"--therefore potentially "inclusive", I think, about laughter. (I do realize there's also such a thing as destructive, derisive laughter.) In 1972 a feminist friend showed me the cover of a Ms. magazine (I've forgotten what was on it) that had been done in response to criticisms that the movement "had no sense of humor". It really hadn't shown one, to that point. I don't think giving abusers the chance to laugh at themselves, finally admitting they've been nothing but stupid braindead idiot morons would necessarily hurt anything.

(Female "circumcision" as practiced is a thousand times more horrible than what's done to males.)

Your idea of printing off the Mackler thing has got me thinking. Not clinics, but just "accidentally" on tables at places with music and beer. And coffee. Coffee's important. I really need to get out more anyhow. And I could accidentally leave "Plain Talks" too. It sucks big-time for me though, that they've outlawed smoking in public just about everywhere, the goddamned do-good bastards!

I'm no perfectionist, and You Tube is just You Tube, but I think I'd like to be careful not to just throw stuff up there. The problem is that doing even just a reasonably good job can be time consuming. I'd like to work at it though I think, have been having ideas. A lot of it is just making choices about time. And I'm having a tooth pulled Monday, dang it, that will show, kindof, and that's not a good look for me. Maybe I could plug the hole with a wad of gum. Anyway, I won't write anymore until I get something accomplished, and then I'll let you know. Thanks again for the interest.

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Sometimes I wish that any American who's distrustful of a Governmental law in forbidding child spanking should come to Sweden and see how kids behave here. Not necessary you, Steve, but I know that many Americans are generally distrustful of governmental laws that reach into the core of the family. This can be good as well as bad. But knowing that in 1979, 90 percent of the Swedish population didn't agree with the anti-spanking law and now it's less than 10 percent (mostly religious fanatics and a immigrants), says something about the power such a law has.

And I can see a continuing line here in addressing and fighting other forms of abuse as well.

What you wrote about humor is interesting. I remember reading the reaction of Miller and Barbara, how they react against laughing. Laughing and crying are there right at the beginning of our lives (if there's no birth trauma present). Mackler's piece works because he ridicules the reasons of those in favor of circumcision. And sometimes that's what it takes to change someone's mind. I used to use humor as a weapon to avoid being abused. I figured that if I can't fight back, I might as well make them laugh because laughing people are usually not violent. It worked for me. That and running the 100 meters very fast. But there was a downsize that humor was an escape from the hurt. And maybe that can be a good thing: to escape for a little while in laughter. Most comedians also love to play drama.

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Female "circumcision" as practiced is a thousand times more horrible than what's done to males.


From the point of adults it is because we know what the consequences are. But what about from the point of the small child? Is mutilating a vagina a 1000 times worse than mutilating a penis?

Just give up smoking, Steve and scream instead. :wink:

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Dennis,

Time's short tonight, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvR1_HF8V4I

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Wow Steve, you're a real guitar virtuoso! And what an intro! Hah, didn't know that about video cameras and American users. Did you wash your hands afterwards :D

Thanks!

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Hello, I don’t know if this if the right post to put this or if someone else has put it somewhere else. Im only half way through reading this post. But I saw a thing on the news yesterday saying that there’s a new report out that has found that anti depressants are no more affective, or little more affective, than a placebo for depression. I liked seeing that. If that’s the case doesn’t it make the claim of a chemical imbalance of the brain being the root cause of depression completely ludicrous? I think so.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7263494.stm

Also I’ve seen a few adverts on T.V. for headache or migraine pills saying that its due to a chemical imbalance of the brain, it annoys me every time I hear it, I haven’t looked for anything about it on the net, yet, I just assume that it’s a load of crap, anyone know anything about it?
Every time I hear someone talk about “a chemical imbalance of the brain” being the cause for this that or the other it makes me want to scream! How is it possible that such a huge proportion of the human race can be so deluded? And even if there are chemical imbalances why do people assume they are the cause and not the other way around? Seems to me it’s more likely that the emotional/mental problems are the cause of the chemical imbalances, if there are indeed any at all! Am I being thick there or something?
Same with genetics, is it beyond the realms of possibility that emotional/mental abuse/neglect could cause genetic changes? I know nothing about genetics by the way; it’s just a thought. But anyway I’m sure that they have got the wrong end of the stick...

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Very good point. I used to recommend books as well but people seldom read any. Maybe it is connected to the teacher who always forced you to read those books that you didn't want to read. But books are very powerful, because you're reading someone else's words with your own thoughts and they become more personal. My father always forbid me to read books while I also knew a girl whose father forced her to read one book a week. No doubt both extremes influence a life-long attitude towards books.


I just wanted to say that I was made to hate reading for most of my life because the only books I was encouraged to read, or had to read for school, were novels. My imagination doesn’t work like that. I found a book about 4 years ago, said it was a true story about some bloke that got abducted by aliens, Communion by Whitley Strieber, I got right in to that because it was supposed to be true, I don’t know if it was but that’s not the point, I found out that I really enjoy reading “factual” books. Then I found out about orgonomy and have since read loads of books by Wilhelm Reich and have enjoyed them very much, they have changed my life. It just goes to show that too many people are put off reading, some for life because they have been forced or encouraged to read books that have no interest for them at all. If I had been given Reich’s books when I was a kid Id of loved reading from then on. Plus id of not felt like a freak for thinking and feeling that the human race was very emotionally sick…

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Hi Dennis,

Thanks, I threw that up at the last minute--really hadn't had time to work anything up fresh--that's a 1982 recording--but time's moving on and I figured it would be better to do something even if it was wrong--that one has a few major flubs in it. Not to argue or put myself down, but I consider a 'virtuoso' to be somebody who has something completely nailed--I'm somebody who his whole life has been more at the level of "Hey! If you keep practicing, someday you're gonna be pretty good!!" No kidding, I've heard that exact line a hundred times, and it's basically what I've always thought myself. That "someday" part gets to really be killer after a while...

The State of California has been empowered for some reason to have their OH NO WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! warning stamped on practically everything, here. 99.9% it's either blatantly inaccurate or completely wrong (as used), which for multiple reasons is absolutely sad. It still floored me, though, to find one on a camera. If anyone reading that part in boldabout washing your hands afterward has ever 'obeyed' it... Well someone no doubt has. I've been hoping maybe I can get by by just wiping them on my pants good, though, like I do most other stuff. I do have several pairs that glow in the dark now, cool, and it hasn't cost that much to buy socks for my new foot.

Écrasons l'infâme,
Steve

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Lloyd, I had posted an article yesterday that said the same thing about the anti-depressants being useless --> viewtopic.php?f=1&t=217
There's little I can add because I fully agree with your opinion here. It's known for years but the media only reports what it gets shoved on their desks, which are usually cleverly composed quasi-scientific PR bulletins from the pharmaceutical industry. They have a financial agreement with the Psychiatric community and in return, the psychiatrists won't bite off the hand that feeds them. The Pharmaceutical industry has invented the theory of the Chemical Imbalance in the brain, something that no scientific research could ever prove. But it caught on because people WANT to believe that because it gives them permission to avoid dealing with emotional causes (which are very painful). It's good to hear that you are also distrustful to such theories and the more people that speak out about this, the better the chances that things get turned around. Peter Breggin wrote a brillant book called Toxic Psychiatry in which he blasts away the genetic and chemical imbalance theories away. There are more insightful books on this but this one is the best.

A woman I once knew told me that she read A.S. Neill's Summerhill book when she was 14 years old and it had changed her life. It had taught her to stand up against her authoritarian father and to make decisions that were in the interest of herself. This made me curious of course so I read his book, which was really fun to read because it's basically everything you wanted to hear when you were a kid but no adult would say it. Neill was good friends with Wilhelm Reich as you probably know and they were very inspired by Max Stirner, the Individual Anarchist. I wished I had been reading these people when I was a teenager as well as it would have prevented a lot of unnecessary suffering.

Steve, I cannot even play guitar with 2 strings and hearing someone playing an unbelievable 12-string guitar is really fantastic. Do you sing as well (besides the French Fried Love Song)? For some reason, right now, I'm thinking of the song Heroin from Velvet Underground. Even found some guitar tabs for you. Don't know what they mean though. Special request for you here :D

I know that in American instruction manuals for microwave ovens, it says NOT to put your pet in it. I think they put anything in manuals to avoid legal liability because if anyone would claim that they didn't know, some judge might agree. Common sense isn't a law unfortunately. And washing your hands to avoid cancer, that's really an extra insult there.

Very good quote you put there at the end. I don't know if you know, but I posted this in Daniel's forum a while ago. If you didn't know, it's one of those LOST coincidences... :D
http://iraresoul.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/ ... =1438#1438

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Dennis,

You watch LOST, TOO???
TV's bad, you know! Not only does the military/industrial complex turn you into one of its robots with the insipidiocityishness of it (why do you think they call it 'programming'?), but you'll get cancer if you sit close! No, that Lost clip seemed pretty well done, I guess, if the idea was to break toothless American guys' hearts with pictures of devastating English babes, but with my aerial antenna I only pick up CBS, PBS and some independents (not ABC). The tooth by the way--the one just pulled--died of trauma. I'm sure of it. I was sitting in the dentist's chair, waiting, thinking "but I brush! And floss!" when it hit me: last November I'd watched a DVD of Performance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyP0dgNSqok, given to me by my ex as a present (not a pleasant film to watch despite some great shots of Anita Pallenberg and that other lady), interesting that there is a clear child abuse reference in it [1970!] as an explanation for James Fox' violent temperment). Fine friends now, my ex and I had sit down to watch it. (She'd seen it twice in theaters back in the old days, guess it had been a big deal for her then.) I'd made caramel popcorn in the microwave. The unpopped kernels that usually go to the bottom of the bowl were stuck to the popped ones, all over (I hadn't thought ahead enough to remove them), and POW! I KNOW it was that same tooth. It was fine in an hour or so, but it's obvious now that the blow I gave it killed the nerve. Just took a few months for it to go completely belly up, is all. The good news is that I can go back to feeling like my being conscientious about dental hygiene hasn't been a pointless waste.

Oh geez. Yeah there's worse things I could do than to cover Lou Reed, assuming what I want is to fake people into imagining that I'm as cool as I do myself, most times....could you settle for "Cold Blue Steel (and Sweet Fire)"? by Joni Mitchell? It's about heroin too, I'm pretty sure, and I already know it, sort of. Tell you what: I've got other things cooking but will definitely look into "Heroin". I know my ex has at least one Velvet U. album. The tabs will help I'm sure, but I've never really learned how to work from them. I have to say too: I've found that even when I like something, even when I like it a lot, there's no guarantee that I'll ever be able to do anything with it that's worth listening to. Some music fits me, some just won't, if that makes sense. But you never know until you try.

Oh I get so tired of that "They have to do it for insurance and legal purposes" rationalization that I could puke. A life that's one huge giant EULA is no life.

I found the Proudhon quote for the first time last week. Thinking it would admirable of me to use my computer to learn about Bernard Buffett. I'd bought one of his prints as a college sophomore and have it hanging behind me right now. I'd googled him, maybe three weeks back, just to find out a little. He did mostly clown faces, seems like, but the one I bought is of a checkered floor, yellow wall with window, wood stove and caned chairs and settee. Well it's not my fault, but Buffett happened to have been mentioned on a web page that also shows some of the work of Anders Zorn--and I'd just gone back to have another look you know? Zorn is famous for his portraits of American presidents. So anyway, the Proudhon thing caught my eye, there. He and painter Gustave Courbet were friends, apparently.

It's an astounding quote, is what it is, not just "good". "...by creatures that have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue...". Hello? Hello? He's RIGHT about that; I'd say that the mistake we all make is that the real bums of the world are ourselves, to the extent that we try to palm off our own parents' junk on others--children if we're parents or teachers, or our neighbors if we are 'socially responsible good citizens, voting for positive change'. The Summerhill founder said that if anybody from his school ever became prime minister, he'd feel like he'd failed. Hello?? In my experience, whatever "New Boss" comes along has always borne a very strong family resemblance to the OLD one.

Child abuse! Child abuse! Fight the REAL enemy!

And brush your teeth!

Steve


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That was a funny trailer with Mick Jagger. Probably it was not meant funny but now I know where George Lucas found his Luke Skywalker.

As if losing our hair isn't enough, we also have to lose our teeth... I should have brushed my hair when I still had the chance...

Cold Blue Steel (and Sweet Fire) by Joni Mitchell sounds great. I don't know this song so surprise me. Not about heroin, but Sinead O'Connor's song Heroine is pretty good as well (it's her thread after all).

Proudhon's quote is indeed astounding. I had it written on the wall above my desk when I lived at home (nothing else was written there) and I've never seen it anywhere else mentioned by anyone. Just to find it here again, by you, haha. I'm grateful that I discovered the writings of some anarchists back then, which helped me to question authority.

If you want to see something disturbing, regarding obedience to authorities, watch this recent experiment based on the Milgram experiment. This is really the core of today's misery: this blind obedience towards authorities by so-called 'normal' people. And this is about administering lethal shocks to innocent people. Imagine scenarios of less fatality. Also watch the first person pushing the 450 volts switch quite long. And type Derren Brown in youtube.com and you get access to a wealth of footage on manipulating human behavior...

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